Jon Udell has posted an audio interview on his Infoworld weblog with Ward and Jack:

On Friday I had a talk with two of Microsoft’s patterns & practices leaders: Ward Cunningham and Jack Greenfield. Ward (along with Kent Beck) ignited the patterns movement with a seminal paper at OOPSLA 1987. Jack developed NeXT’s Enterprise Objects Framework (now Apple’s WebObjects), was a chief architect at Rational, and is now a Microsoft architect for enterprise frameworks and tools.

The focus of the discussion was Jack Greenfield’s notion of software factories — a way to accelerate the process of codifying software patterns, and creating the tools and frameworks that enable people to apply those patterns.

Keep up the audio, Jon! I know the developers in the audience will be listenting. You’re da man.